High motion encoding issue.

andy

I am using DVD2SVCD with default settings (with CCE encoder), and am facing an annoying issue when playing high motion parts of movie on my standalone DVD (Pioneer DV-444). The problem is when for example a guy is moving fast, or dancing, ... In this case, (only) the fast moving parts of the image seem to move at say 5 images per second instead of moving smoothly, leaving thick gray zone behind. This problem only happens on my standalone DVD player (Pioneer DV-444), while the movie is playing OK on a software DVD player (PowerDVD XP).

I tried several suggestions of this forum, including lowering the bitrate, changing muxer, authoring method, ... I was going to give up, considering it was an unsolvable Pioneer DV-444 issue. I did a last trial, encoding one problematic chapter with DVD2SVCD default settings and :
. bitrates : max 2300, min 600, avg max 2000.
. CCE 2.50, 4 passes VBR
. TMPGenc Plus 2.53, 2 passes VBR
Both burned SVCD mounted with Daemon-tools played perfectly on the software DVD player (PowerDVD XP). The CCE encoded movie has the abovementioned issue with high motion parts of the image. And ... surprise, the TMPGenc encoded movie played perfectly on the Pioneer DV-444, as good as with the software DVD player !

Now, I know the issue can be solved with my Pioneer DV-444. Has anybody faced the same problem, and has any hint on which CCE parameters to play with, in order to cure the problem as good as with TMPGenc ? My main interest is because CCE is muuuuch faster than TMPGenc (in my case, a factor 3 with above settings). Thanks in advance for any feedback, help or hint. avdmb

All problems belong in the basics forum.  Advanced forum is only for technical discussion and theory.

Mark

Originally posted by avdmb
I am using DVD2SVCD with default settings (with CCE encoder), and am facing an annoying issue when playing high motion parts of movie on my standalone DVD (Pioneer DV-444). The problem is when for example a guy is moving fast, or dancing, ... In this case, (only) the fast moving parts of the image seem to move at say 5 images per second instead of moving smoothly, leaving thick gray zone behind. This problem only happens on my standalone DVD player (Pioneer DV-444), while the movie is playing OK on a software DVD player (PowerDVD XP).

I tried several suggestions of this forum, including lowering the bitrate, changing muxer, authoring method, ... I was going to give up, considering it was an unsolvable Pioneer DV-444 issue. I did a last trial, encoding one problematic chapter with DVD2SVCD default settings and :
. bitrates : max 2300, min 600, avg max 2000.
. CCE 2.50, 4 passes VBR
. TMPGenc Plus 2.53, 2 passes VBR
Both burned SVCD mounted with Daemon-tools played perfectly on the software DVD player (PowerDVD XP). The CCE encoded movie has the abovementioned issue with high motion parts of the image. And ... surprise, the TMPGenc encoded movie played perfectly on the Pioneer DV-444, as good as with the software DVD player !

Now, I know the issue can be solved with my Pioneer DV-444. Has anybody faced the same problem, and has any hint on which CCE parameters to play with, in order to cure the problem as good as with TMPGenc ? My main interest is because CCE is muuuuch faster than TMPGenc (in my case, a factor 3 with above settings). Thanks in advance for any feedback, help or hint. avdmb Hello.

I do own Pioneer 444 and YES CCE does not behave well. On the other hand TMPencoder (both CQ and VBR) is producing ok SVCDS without that problem you mention. I have tried many settings to CCE with no luck. So TMPenc is the solution for me.djc

I had the same problem.
I solve it using TMPGenc Plus Tools after CCE encoding and re-mux de two or three files from DVD2SVCD bbmpeg_muxed_filexx.mpeg.
In this case I select not making images on DVD2SVCD.
Hope it helps.

Originally posted by Vitor
I had the same problem.
I solve it using TMPGenc Plus Tools after CCE encoding and re-mux de two or three files from DVD2SVCD bbmpeg_muxed_filexx.mpeg.
In this case I select not making images on DVD2SVCD.
Hope it helps. Hello,

Since i'm not a technical guy, and since CCE produces better results, the author of DVD2SVCD could easily understand why this happens and maybe offer a solution or help.

djc

Originally posted by djc Since i'm not a technical guy, and since CCE produces better results, the author of DVD2SVCD could easily understand why this happens and maybe offer a solution or help.

C'mon, how the hell should I know each and every dvd players ways of decoding SVCDs, be realistic  I cannot help you with this.

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
C'mon, how the hell should I know each and every dvd players ways of decoding SVCDs, be realistic  I cannot help you with this. Hello.

The problem described above doesn't happen only to my new Pioneer 444 but also to my old BlueSky DVD (SEG under the brand of Carefour). So i thought that maybe this means something (maybe it is not DVD specific but some tuning we could do in CCE).

thanks!djc

Thanks to all for sharing your experience. This problem has been since then baptised quot;Matrix effectquot;. For a solution to the problem, see threads :

showthread.php?s=amp;threadid=24725

showthread.php?s=amp;threadid=24762

It works for me. Let us know there if this is successful for you.