Wich codec does You use for 5.1 encoding? everything, including, depend, option, player

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Please specify everything including options and bitrate
thanx!

I using Coding Tehnologies from lastest Winamp 5.2. Bitrate depend of movie but never under 96kbs and never above 128. I think is range for 5.1 encoding 96-128 in BeLight/BeHappy. For most encodings is 112kbs, using mpeg4 bitstream and PreGain option to incarase Volume.

Soft : Besweet encoder
Codec : AC3
Bitrate : 448 or 384
Goal : compliant with home divx player, don't care about computer..

besweet+kurtnoise plugin+winamp ct dll
using normalize 92% + dialog normalization

im using this because the quot;overflowquot; levels in besweet not happen anymore. (strong spikes in audio)

and waiting for implementing more than 128kbps in encoding (for 5.1) like yours dimzon aacplus encoder..

encoding for dvd backup (matroska, 2 audios, subs, xcd..) using computer/DLP projector/5.1 setup for viewing..


Originally Posted by Malowand waiting for implementing more than 128kbps in encoding (for 5.1) like yours dimzon aacplus encoder

Thats right


Originally Posted by shon3iThats right

I can provide modified BeSweet plugin if you really need it

Yes i need. Thanx


Originally Posted by shon3iYes i need. Thanx

Shit, my corporate firewall blocks download of BeLight/WA_aacPlus-2.1_src.zip
and I have noc C++ compiler at home. So I need to download it @ home then recompile at work...
So need to wait, sorry

I used to use Nero's AAC-LC/HE codec in-conjunction with Foobar2000.... but since the release of (their bloated) Nero7 package, I have abstained from using/installing any of Nero's products!

So, I would love to see more 6Ch AAC-LC and HE encoders!

I guess most people's basic requirements would be to have a quot;single windowedquot; GUI that can accept 6Ch AC3 streams (and 6Ch WAV's) and convert them 6Ch AAC.....  

Well... that would be my dream requirement Cheers

I try compile myself. This is Visual Studio C++ 6.0 source i am right. Or i send you this file via email

@SeeMoreDigital did you encode to 6ch aac file via nero 6/7 encoder and what you think about quality compared to Coding Tehnologies


Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigitalI guess most people's basic requirements would be to have a quot;single windowedquot; GUI that can accept 6Ch AC3 streams (and 6Ch WAV's) and convert them 6Ch AAC.....

BeHappy
MeGUI
BeLight


Originally Posted by shon3iI using Coding Tehnologies from lastest Winamp 5.2. Bitrate depend of movie but never under 96kbs and never above 128. I think is range for 5.1 encoding 96-128 in BeLight/BeHappy. For most encodings is 112kbs, using mpeg4 bitstream and PreGain option to incarase Volume.

The --cbr option of the encoder version you're using actually seems to be vbr at last, like the wimamp5 bundled 6ch aac sample.
Also the --chmode is not handled explicitly, only the --high option yields correct stereo outputs for me ATM.
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The +PS over the HE-AAC has the advantage of reducing the bit rate from 64k to 48k optimum on stereo, 164kbps to 128k on 6ch clips. Quality-wise, I honestly couldn't find any noticeable difference between CT amp; Nero versions on their optimum bit rates.

I am shifting to DPL II downmix(with my adjusted matrix) for maximum compatibility(portability) amp; minimum fidelity loss, because of my frequent travels. I feel it over 80% of surrounds seperations with normal music @ similar or better fidelity.
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Originally Posted by shon3i@SeeMoreDigital did you encode to 6ch aac file via nero 6/7 encoder and what you think about quality compared to Coding Tehnologies

If you're referring to Coding Technologies 6Ch MP3 codec then no.... I need to generate encodes with 6Ch audio streams that I can decode via a stand-alone player and forward to a DSS amplifier  Originally Posted by dimzonBeHappy
MeGUI
BeLight

I was of the understanding these are all AVISynth based tools. Or have things changed?

I'm also sorry to say I'm unfamiliar with the AAC encoder filters any of the above mentioned tools use to generate 6Ch AAC streams  Cheers

I'm using Belight...
Codec:Winamp's aacplus encoder
Bitrate:Always 128kbps with pregain. I don't want to lose any quality that can be given from the encoder. Even the 2 bytes can make the difference in soyund quality. Especially if the movie is a Star Wars' episode..!


Originally Posted by RockariaThe --cbr option of the encoder version you're using actually seems to be vbr at last, like the wimamp5 bundled 6ch aac sample.
Also the --chmode is not handled explicitly, only the --high option yields correct stereo outputs for me ATM.
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The +PS over the HE-AAC has the advantage of reducing the bit rate from 64k to 48k optimum on stereo, 164kbps to 128k on 6ch clips. Quality-wise, I honestly couldn't find any noticeable difference between CT amp; Nero versions on their optimum bit rates.

I am shifting to DPL II downmix(with my adjusted matrix) for maximum compatibility(portability) amp; minimum fidelity loss, because of my frequent travels. I feel it over 80% of surrounds seperations with normal music @ similar or better fidelity.
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Rockaria did you told me that nero 6/7 is same as CT in 6ch encoding. I dont think that. Nero 7 is terrible in quality. Nero 7 quality is same like mp3 @ lt;48kbs have nasty artifacts in sounds but only in 6ch encodes. Nero 6 is better but he something like center chanel is broken and some echo shows. Both are terrible. CT is good for every choice and i didn't hear any artifacts in ct encodings with 6ch in 96-128kbs range. Using Stereo,DPL,DPLII is same, btw winamp demo.aac is not vbr. is cbr. I don't know were you see that is vbr


Originally Posted by shon3iRockaria did you told me that nero 6/7 is same as CT in 6ch encoding. I dont think that. Nero 7 is terrible in quality. Nero 7 quality is same like mp3 @ lt;48kbs have nasty artifacts in sounds but only in 6ch encodes. Nero 6 is better but he something like center chanel is broken and some echo shows. Both are terrible.  CT is good for every choice and i didn't hear any artifacts in ct encodings with 6ch in 96-128kbs range. Using Stereo,DPL,DPLII is same, btw winamp demo.aac is not vbr. is cbr.
Pls, read again. I mentioned at their optimum bit rates(CT has PS option over Nero HE VBR, ATM).
The center is not broken to me. Maybe you need to test several versions of different nero dlls(also v6 amp; v7 are developped independantly, i don't trust v7 yet)
BTW, were you able to encode aac stereo with what version of the encoder and with which options?
I don't know were you see that is vbr

Kaje - Hey Buddy Aacplus Surround.aac is the original vbr aac from the initial version of winamp 5.x bundle.

I tested Nero 6 from Nero 6.6.0.16 and from Nero 7.1.0.2-7.0.5.4 and lastes binary from Ivan Dimkovic somewhere found on HydrogenAudio forums. Please listen this files files/14365315/aac.rar.html. Nero 7 looks terible on 2.0 speakers and headphones and on 5.1 system litle different. Nero 6 on 2.0 and headphone when some start to talk voice has some echo or double voice, on 5.1 sistem i same. CT is perfect. Originally Posted by Rokariais the original vbr aac from the initial version of winamp 5.x bundle.

Maybe i have only demo.aac.Originally Posted by RokariaI mentioned at their optimum bit rates(CT has PS option over Nero HE VBR, ATM).

I understand you what is optimal bitrate. Normaly nero6/7/ct is same at 48kbs and other bitrates. Originally Posted by Rokaria

were you able to encode aac stereo with what version of the encoder and with which options?
I mean for decoding 5.1 audio to 2.0 speakers excatly downsampling. When i use Stereo,DPL,DPLII modes in ffdshow audio decoder Nero6/7 looks terible and ct is same.

I downloaded and listened to the mp4s from other thread.
The second(v6) has slight sync problems between the channels, which I have never experienced in my environment.
The v7 and CT were almost identical(maybe my bad ears) on my 5.1ch headphone, but still comparing aacplus v1 amp; v2 @48k is kinda little sense to me. Originally Posted by shon3i
Originally Posted by rockariais the original vbr aac from the initial version of winamp 5.x bundle.

Maybe i have only demo.aac.

AFAIK, Winamp free versions include three types : light, full, bundle

Originally Posted by shon3i
Originally Posted by rockariaI mentioned at their optimum bit rates(CT has PS option over Nero HE VBR, ATM).

I understand you what is optimal bitrate. Normaly nero6/7/ct is same at 48kbs and other bitrates.

The diagram shows it clearly : aavplus v1 + ps = aacplus v2, aacplus v1 == nero he(stereo optimal @ 64k)Originally Posted by shon3i

I mean for decoding 5.1 audio to 2.0 speakers excatly downsampling. When i use Stereo,DPL,DPLII modes in ffdshow audio decoder Nero6/7 looks terible and ct is same.

Precisely speaking, the DPL amp; DPL II mixer options are downmix encoding.
BTW, the 'terrible' sounds to me 0~1 when 'the same' as 5 from 5(perfect fidelity).


Originally Posted by RockariaThe second(v6) has slight sync problems between the channels, which I have never experienced in my environment.
What you use to encode with nero 6 encoder. I tryed with BeLight/Behappy/Megui it's sameOriginally Posted by RockariaAFAIK, Winamp free versions include three types : light, full, bundle
i have some pro downloaded form winamp forums but is full version.Originally Posted by RockariaThe v7 and CT were almost identical(maybe my bad ears) on my 5.1ch headphone, but still comparing aacplus v1 amp; v2 @48k is kinda little sense to me.

But there is difference. PS is better. But Nero7 is much worse than CT. Nero 7 to me sounds like mp3 @ 48kbs. In silent scens starting big artifacts.

@Rokaria what you prefer Nero 6/7 or CT, How you encode sound for films. Thanx