I just don't get it...

andy

I have tried 5 different backups and only one has been the correct size.  All of the others are 100-200mb to big.  Now these are movie only backups using RB 0.88/HC 0.14.  I don't want to use Shrink to make the disc fit because that would defeat the purpose of re-encoding.  I also tried one pass again and I got a result of over 7GB in nearly all cases.  I have tried CCE Basic and I get spot on images, but HC creates wildly varying encodes.  I really want to use HC, but I don't know if the problem lies within RB or HC.  Anyone else having this problem?

even on 2 pass mode ? or only in opv ?

try 2 pass, quality is even better

BHH

That is with 2-pass.  In OPV, I can't get below 7GB.

If all else failes, try reinstalling from scratch, including a fresh ini file

Try using Rockas Installer to setup DVD-RB for yourself, then replace the free dvd-rb .exe file with your pro ver.

That the easiest and best way to setup DVD-RB

@Balthazar

I think you can always use the TargetSectors setting (it is a hidden setting to be set in the rebuilders.ini file) to set a target below the default (2236000 sectors).

So if HC is oversizing 100 MB you can set TargetSectors to 2186000 (one sector 2k bytes) to compensate.

may be ILVU interleaving ?

Dunno...

BHH

@Balthazar

What is the setting that you are using for TargetSectors or HCTargetSectors in your REBUILDER.INI file?  If you are consistently getting oversized output, change it to a lesser value.  The default  for TargetSectors is 2236400.  It is the number of 2K sectors that is your aim for output.  Subtract 102400 to reduce by 200MB.

I find it strange that you have that large a range (100MB to 200MB)...  all the encodes I've done with HC are within 50MB of each other and always within my output target.

Anyone else experiencing oversizing with HC?I get 4.34g with HC on every disc I've done. About 20 now

First off, I looked in the rebuilder.ini and I don't have a targetsectors listed.  Am I supposed to?  Also, just as a note, I have done all of these encodes again with CCE and got good results.  All of the disks I have been doing are TV shows (Angel, 24, etc.).  I don't know if that somehow complicates matters.  Hank315 is going to send me a logging version of HC to see if we can figure out what is wrong.  I will let everyone know the results.  Thanks for all of the help!

@Balthazar

You can add this under the [Options] area of your REBUILDER.INI:

HCTargetSectors=2134000

It should make them fit.  It will only affect HC encodes.  If it turns out to cause undersizing you can comment it out by putting a quot;#quot; in front of it.

With HC, I get fairly perfectly-sized outputs EXCEPT when its just one big VTS.  If all the titles are in one VTS, then I usually set the Target Sectors down a little because HC seems to go over in that case.

If titles are spread out in multiple VTS, works great for me.

Originally posted by Balthazar
First off, I looked in the rebuilder.ini and I don't have a targetsectors listed.  Am I supposed to?  Also, just as a note, I have done all of these encodes again with CCE and got good results.  All of the disks I have been doing are TV shows (Angel, 24, etc.).  I don't know if that somehow complicates matters.  Hank315 is going to send me a logging version of HC to see if we can figure out what is wrong.  I will let everyone know the results.  Thanks for all of the help!

What kind of audio is present on your source? Ac3, MPEG?

The audio is AC3.  Also, rpboy pointed out that if the VTS is one big file than that is where the problem presented itself.  In all of my tests that has been the case.  Right now I am working with Hank315 to analyze the problem.

I just tried another OPV and I grabbed some of the statistics.  According to RB, the High/Low/Typical for my disc is 4484/500/3286.  With a Cq value of 2.5 and a Targetsize of 2112326.  Now, HC is telling me that average bitrate is 6776.  What am I missing? How can the average that HC is using exceed the High that RB has analyzed?  According to HC the Cq value it is using is 2.5.

I just noticed that the minimum bitrate HC is using is 4476.  That is nearly the High limit set by RB.  Interesting...

I would suggest getting your problems straightened out in Multi-pass mode first. Then move on to OPV if you must. But trying things in OPV, which has had known problems that are just now being worked out, when your setup for Multi-pass is giving you problems, is just being a glutton for punishment.

Originally posted by Balthazar
I just tried another OPV and I grabbed some of the statistics.  According to RB, the High/Low/Typical for my disc is 4484/500/3286.  With a Cq value of 2.5 and a Targetsize of 2112326.  Now, HC is telling me that average bitrate is 6776.  What am I missing? How can the average that HC is using exceed the High that RB has analyzed?  According to HC the Cq value it is using is 2.5.
Those figures have no relationship with OPV.  Those are the bitrates calculated based upon space that would be applied to multipass encoding.  Remember OPV allows for a lot wider bitrate swings because it is working with a constant quantizer.

Hank315 has determined my problem with OPV in RB stems from the prediction being done with one matrix and the encode being done with another.

???

I'd like to hear more about that.  The same matrix should be used for both.